zh-cn	崔天凯大使接受AXIOS和HBO采访实录
en-us	Ambassador Cui Tiankai taking an interview with AXIOS and HBO (Transcript)

zh-cn	3月17日，崔天凯大使接受AXIOS和HBO联合节目的采访，就新冠肺炎疫情、媒体关系、涉疆问题、中美关系等回答了记者乔纳森·斯旺的提问。
en-us	On March 17, 2020, Ambassador Cui Tiankai took an interview with AXIOS and HBO. 

zh-cn	采访全文实录如下：
en-us	Here is the full transcript of the interview:

zh-cn	斯旺：大使先生，我们非常感谢您接受采访。在我们谈疫情之前，我想先就当前几个引人关注的新闻向您提问。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: We are grateful for having you here. Mr. Ambassador, I want to ask you about a couple of things to the news before we get into the coronavirus.

zh-cn	崔大使：好的。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: OK.

zh-cn	斯旺：周一晚，特朗普总统首次将新冠病毒称为“中国病毒”。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: On Monday night, President Trump, for the first time, referred to the coronavirus as the "Chinese virus". 

zh-cn	您怎么看？
en-us	What did you make of that?

zh-cn	崔大使：我不是白宫发言人，但世界卫生组织在疾病命名方面是有规则的，就是要避免污名化，不予人病症与特定地理位置、人群甚至动物相关的印象。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: Well, I'm not the spokesperson for the White House, but I think the World Health Organization has a rule when they name these new viruses. They will never give people the impression that the virus is linked somehow to a particular location, a particular group of people, or even a particular animal. They want to avoid stigma. 

zh-cn	希望大家都能遵守世卫组织的规则。
en-us	So hopefully everybody will follow the WHO rule.

zh-cn	斯旺：美国总统没有遵守这一规则，您想向他传递什么信息？他会看我们的采访。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: The President of the United States isn't following it. Is there any message that you would want to deliver to him? He'll be watching.

zh-cn	崔大使：我的信息很明确，我希望世卫组织规则得到遵守。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: My message is very clear. I hope the WHO rule will be followed.

zh-cn	斯旺：大使先生，周二中国政府宣布将驱逐《纽约时报》 、《华尔街日报》和《华盛顿邮报》的所有美国记者，他们在10天内要离开中国。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Mr. Ambassador, on Tuesday, the Chinese government announced that it will be expelling all US journalists working for the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post from China. And they have 10 days to leave. 

zh-cn	大使先生，独立媒体有什么让中国政府惧怕呢？
en-us	What does the Chinese government have to fear from an independent press, Mr. Ambassador?

zh-cn	崔大使：我先告诉你正确的事实是什么。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I think I still have to give you the right facts. 

zh-cn	首先，并不是要驱逐这些人，只是终止他们的记者证。
en-us	First, it's not expelling anybody from China. Their work permit as journalists will be terminated. 

zh-cn	第二，并不是这些媒体的所有人都涉及其中，他们中还有人会留在中国继续工作。
en-us	Second, not everybody from these media. Some of their people will still be working in China. 

zh-cn	但最重要的是，中方采取的行动是对美国政府针对中国记者实施措施的回应。
en-us	But most importantly, we are doing all this in response to the measures taken by the US government against our journalists here. 

zh-cn	某种意义上说，我们不得不这么做。
en-us	So in a sense, we are compelled to do all these things.

zh-cn	斯旺：但是，根据我们的理解，首先不是中国政府因《华尔街日报》有关中国共产党应对疫情的批评性报道驱逐了该报的3名记者，然后美国政府才要求中国国有媒体限制在美记者人数的吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: But so with respect, wasn't the first action the Chinese government expelling the three Wall Street Journal reporters because of critical coverage of the Communist Party's response to the coronavirus? And then the US government expelled, from our understanding, Chinese state-owned, they effectively made them cap their staff down this lower, from state-owned outlets.

zh-cn	崔大使：不是。事实是，《华尔街日报》登载了一篇对中华民族使用侮辱性语言的文章，引起中国人民极大愤慨，所以中国政府必须回应。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: No, I think the fact is the Wall Street Journal ran an article with very insulting language on the entire Chinese nation. That caused a lot of anger among the Chinese people. So the government had to respond. 

zh-cn	然后美国政府又对中国驻美记者采取了行动，驱逐了这些仅仅是在开展专业（报道）工作、从未违反美国法律的中国记者。
en-us	Then the US government has taken actions against our journalists here, people who have never violated US laws, people who are just doing their professional jobs here. And they are expelled by the US government. 

zh-cn	我们只能依据对等原则进行回应。
en-us	Then we have to follow the principle of reciprocity. We have to respond.

zh-cn	斯旺：我读了《华尔街日报》专栏文章，我认为文章里似乎没有什么违法的内容，仅是批评政府而已。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I read that column in the Wall Street Journal, and it didn't seem to me that there was anything that would violate a law. And it was really criticizing the government.

zh-cn	崔大使：如果你对中国历史有所了解，你就会知道那篇文章是对整个中华民族的极大侮辱。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: That article is very insulting on the entire Chinese nation, if you know anything about Chinese history. 

zh-cn	很多美国人也不赞同那篇文章的标题和语言，甚至感到很生气。
en-us	I think a lot of people here in America did not agree with that title, with that kind of language. People were very upset here even.

zh-cn	斯旺：大使先生，我相信人们会有不同意见，但问题是，因为此事驱逐记者是个好主意吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I'm sure people will disagree, Mr. Ambassador. I guess the question is whether it's a good idea to expel reporters because of something......

zh-cn	崔大使：也许首先该问的问题是，写这样一篇文章是个好主意吗？
en-us	Ambassador Cui: Maybe the first question you have to ask is whether it's a good idea to write such an article at all.

zh-cn	斯旺：大使先生，面对公共卫生危机，以事实为基础开展对话非常重要。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Mr. Ambassador, look, in a public health crisis, it's so important that we have a fact-based conversation.

zh-cn	您2月9日在《面向全民》节目采访中说散播“病毒来自美国军方实验室”这样的“疯狂谣言”十分危险。
en-us	 You said on Face the Nation on February 9 that it was dangerous for people to be spreading, you use the word "crazy rumors", like "the virus originated in the US military laboratory". 

zh-cn	大使先生，您知道是谁在散播这些疯狂的阴谋论吗？
en-us	Mr. Ambassador, do you know who's been spreading that crazy conspiracy?

zh-cn	崔大使：我认为这是始于美国的。你看了我接受《面向全民》的采访，我们谈到这里有人散播疯狂言论。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I think such an attempt was first initiated here. You saw my interview on Face the Nation. We were talking about some people here saying crazy things.

zh-cn	斯旺：是的，
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Yes. 

zh-cn	您当时说："还有人说这些病毒是来自美方军事实验室而不是中国的，类似的疯狂言论我们怎么能相信？”
en-us	Your quote was, "there are people who are saying that these viruses could come from some military lab, not of China, may be in the United States. How can we believe these crazy things?"

zh-cn	您当时是回应……
en-us	 You're responding to a question about ......

zh-cn	崔大使：这是我的一贯立场。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: That's my position all along. 

zh-cn	我当时这样认为，现在依然这样认为。
en-us	That was my position then, and that's my position now. 

zh-cn	对于这个问题，当然我们最终要找到答案，揭开病毒的来源，但这是科学家要做的工作，而不是由外交官或者记者来进行揣测的，因为这样的臆测对任何人都没有好处，而且非常有害。
en-us	I think (as for) this question, of course, we have to find eventually, we must have an answer to where the virus originally came. But this is a job for the scientists to do, not for diplomats, not for journalists to speculate, because such speculation will help nobody. It's very harmful. 

zh-cn	为什么不让我们的科学家来完成他们的专业工作、并最终告诉我们答案呢？
en-us	So why not let our scientists do their professional job and give us some answer eventually?

zh-cn	斯旺：大使先生，很高兴听您这么说。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: It's good to hear you say that, Mr. Ambassador.

zh-cn	因为事实上，是你们中国外交部的发言人赵立坚在散播病毒来源于美国实验室的阴谋论。他有相关证据吗？
en-us	Because it was actually your own spokesman, the spokesman for the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Zhao Lijian, who has been spreading this conspiracy that the virus originated in a US laboratory. Does he have any evidence to support that theory?

zh-cn	崔大使：也许你可以去问他。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: Maybe you could go and ask him.

zh-cn	斯旺：您问他了吗？您是大使。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Have you asked him? You are the Ambassador.

zh-cn	崔大使：我在此代表的是中国国家元首和中国政府，不是某个具体个人。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: Now, I'm here representing my head of state and my government, not any particular individual.

zh-cn	斯旺：他是代表中国政府发言吗？是赵立坚还是您代表中国政府发声？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Does he speak for the Chinese government? Does Zhao or do you?

zh-cn	崔大使：我是中国驻美国的代表。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I am the representative of China in the United States.

zh-cn	斯旺：好的。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: OK. 

zh-cn	所以我们不应该从字面上去听他的话。
en-us	So we shouldn't take his words literally, what he's saying. 

zh-cn	尽管他是发言人，我们也不应该认为他的话代表中国政府。
en-us	We shouldn't take them as a representation of the Chinese government even though he's the spokesman.

zh-cn	崔大使：你可以对别人的话进行解读。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: You could try to interpret somebody else's statement. 

zh-cn	我无法也没有责任向你解释所有人的观点。
en-us	I'm not in the position, and I don't have responsibility to explain everybody's view to you.

zh-cn	斯旺：这并不是怎么解读的问题，他就是这么说的。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: OK. It's not a matter of interpretation. It's what he said. 

zh-cn	但您的意思很清楚了。
en-us	But I think it's clear what you mean by that. 

zh-cn	我们继续采访。
en-us	We move on. 

zh-cn	大使先生，您知道疫情在初期蔓延非常迅速，在早期就控制住疫情非常重要。
en-us	Mr. Ambassador, as you know, the epidemic diseases, they multiply very quickly in the early days and it's very important to stamp them out early. 

zh-cn	南安普顿大学研究发现，如果中国能早三周干预疫情，感染人数将能减少95%。
en-us	A University of Southampton study found that there would have been 95% fewer cases of the coronavirus if China had intervened three weeks earlier. 

zh-cn	很多人说，因为掩盖疫情三周时间，共产党官员使得病毒不仅伤及中国人，而且危害世界各地人民。
en-us	What a number of people have said is that by covering up the reality of this virus for three weeks, Communist Party officials allowed the virus to bring not just, to harm people in China, but to people all around the world. 

zh-cn	我想问您，共产党会为早期隐瞒（疫情）道歉吗？
en-us	And I want to ask you whether the Party apologizes for that initial cover-up?

zh-cn	崔大使：我认为这种说法是歪曲事实的。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I think that statement is based on distortion of fact. 

zh-cn	你说在几周内病毒增长很快，这是对的。
en-us	You were right to say the virus multiplies very fast, maybe in a couple of weeks. 

zh-cn	但如果你去认真研究事实，就会发现一开始，人们对这种新病毒知之甚少，没有人真正了解它。
en-us	But the fact is, if you have a close look at the real fact, the fact is at the very beginning, there was very little knowledge about this new virus. Nobody knew anything about it. 

zh-cn	你不能仅因几个人发烧就认为应该警告整个世界出现了一种新病毒。
en-us	You cannot come to the conclusion that just because of a few cases of people running fever, you should alarm the whole world that there is a new kind of virus. 

zh-cn	人们必须认真了解真实情况是什么。
en-us	People have to look at the situation very closely. So I think it's not a process of covering up something.

zh-cn	所以我认为这不是一个掩盖真相的过程，而是一个发现这种新型病毒的过程，要确认病毒种类，更多了解它，更多了解它的传播途径以及如何应对。
en-us	 It's a process of discovering this new kind of virus, to do a good job in identifying the virus, know more about it, learn more about the routes of transmission and how to respond. 

zh-cn	实际上，仅仅在几周之内，中国就向世界卫生组织通报了了解到的所有情况，包括病毒的基因序列。
en-us	Actually, it only took a couple of weeks for China to share everything we knew with the World Health Organization, including the genetic sequencing of this virus. 

zh-cn	我们向世卫组织和其他国家发出提醒，大约两三周内，武汉市就采取了封城措施。
en-us	And we alerted the WHO and other countries, and within maybe two or three weeks, the city of Wuhan was locked down. 

zh-cn	那是在1月23日。
en-us	That was on January 23. 

zh-cn	到现在已过去了55天。
en-us	Now today, 55 days have passed. 

zh-cn	在我们坚决和坚定的努力下，中国的病例数量正在大幅下降，治愈出院的人数正在显著上升。
en-us	And thanks to our resolute and determined efforts, the number of cases in China is coming down significantly. The number of people who are cured and discharged from hospital is going up significantly. 

zh-cn	也许大家应该问一问，这55天内有什么是该做而没有做的。
en-us	But maybe people should ask what should have happened but have not happened in the last 55 days. 

zh-cn	因为根据医学专业人士的说法，病毒所谓潜伏期一般是14天左右。
en-us	Because according to the medical professionals, the so-called incubation period or the quarantine period is generally about 14 days.

zh-cn	那么在过去55天内，都做了什么、有什么是该做而没有做的，也许这才是应该问的问题。
en-us	 Now we have 55 days. What has happened or what should have happened but have not happened? Maybe this is the right question to ask.

zh-cn	斯旺：正如您所说，我认为前三周非常关键。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I think the first three weeks, as you say, very crucial. 

zh-cn	我想问您一些具体事实，因为您刚才提到事实。
en-us	And I want to ask you about some specific facts. You mentioned facts. 

zh-cn	多伦多大学研究发现，去年12月，中国开始审查社交媒体上提到新冠病毒的内容时，被屏蔽的关键词包括人传人。
en-us	University of Toronto study found that when China started censoring social media references to the coronavirus in December, blocked keywords included "people-to-people transmission". 

zh-cn	中方为什么要对有关病毒的信息进行审查？
en-us	Why would they be censoring information about a virus?

zh-cn	崔大使：我们所做的努力不是你所谓的对媒体报道内容进行“审查”，我们的努力和工作重点首先是对每个人的体温进行筛查，确保病毒不会快速传播，同时明确疑似病例和确诊病例的数量，这样我们才能采取措施治愈病患。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I don't think our efforts were to what you called "censor" all the media coverage. Our efforts, our focus was first to screen the body temperature of everybody, so as to make sure that the virus is not spreading very fast, so that we could know exactly what are the numbers of suspected cases and confirmed cases, so that we could take a measure to cure the people. 

zh-cn	所以我们的努力实际上无关如何与媒体打交道，而是如何应对受病毒感染的人。
en-us	So our efforts were not actually about how to deal with the media, but how to deal with the people affected by the virus. 

zh-cn	难道你不觉得这更重要吗？
en-us	Don't you think that is more important?

zh-cn	斯旺：我认为两者都很重要。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I think both are important. 

zh-cn	向公众通报信息非常重要。
en-us	I think public information is very important. 

zh-cn	当包括李文亮医生在内的武汉医生发出警报、分享实验室报告信息时，他们却不听，中国共产党和警察把他们扣留审问。
en-us	And when the doctors in Wuhan raised the alarm and shared the laboratory reports, Dr. Li Wenliang, they won't listen to (them). The Party and the police held them in for questioning. 

zh-cn	李文亮不得不发表声明说，他在散布不实言论。
en-us	And Li Wenliang had to put out a statement saying that he had been spreading untrue words.

zh-cn	崔大使：你所说的，还是在歪曲事实。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I think what you're referring to, again, distorted facts. 

zh-cn	我告诉你两件事。
en-us	Let me tell you two things.

zh-cn	首先，李医生是在和同事、医生同行进行讨论，并非向公众发出警告，因为他当时也感到困惑，有所警觉，所以他才咨询他的医生同行。
en-us	 First, Dr. Li was consulting his colleagues, his fellow doctors. He was not trying to alert the public, because he was puzzled. He was alerted. He was consulting his fellow doctors. 

zh-cn	不知何故，这条发在他们医生同行的朋友圈信息传了出来，当然就引起人们担忧。
en-us	Somehow this piece of information got outside of his circle of fellow doctors and it certainly caused concern. 

zh-cn	第二，现在中央政府正在全面调查涉李文亮医生有关问题，为什么我们不等调查结果出来再下结论呢？
en-us	Number two, the whole case, what happened to Dr. Li and his colleagues now is under investigation by the central government. So why not all of us wait to let the investigation go through and give us the conclusion?

zh-cn	斯旺：我想我只是不明白为什么一个医生分享实验室报告，与同事讨论，信息泄露了出去，而且有关信息对公众来说是非常有用的信息，却导致他被警方传唤，不得不收回他之前所说内容？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I guess I just don't understand why a doctor sharing a laboratory report and consulting with his colleagues and the information getting out, which would have been very useful information to the public, why does that result in him getting pulled into the police and having to retract his statement?

zh-cn	崔大使：不是这样，让我来告诉你。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: No. Let me tell you this. 

zh-cn	我对当时武汉的情况不能事事了如指掌。
en-us	I don't know everything about what exactly happened in Wuhan at that time. 

zh-cn	但通常情况下，不管哪一级政府，怎么能根据一些泄露的信息来决策呢？
en-us	But normally for any level of government, how can you base your decision on some leaked information? 

zh-cn	必须确保公开宣布的内容都是有坚实的事实和科学基础的。
en-us	You have to make sure what you announce is very solidly based on fact and science.

zh-cn	斯旺：我不是说要以此作为决策基础。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I am not asking you to base it on that. 

zh-cn	我只是想说为什么李医生会因分享信息而受到惩罚？
en-us	I'm just saying why you punished him for sharing that information. 

zh-cn	这是我不理解的地方。
en-us	That's the part I don't understand.

zh-cn	崔大使：正如我刚才所说，整件事正在调查中。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: As I told you just now, the whole thing is under investigation. 

zh-cn	我们何不先等调查结束呢？
en-us	Why don't we wait until the conclusion of the investigation?

zh-cn	斯旺：1月15日，中国疾控中心卫生应急中心主任李群接受央视采访时表示，“经过仔细筛查和谨慎判断，我们的最新结论是（该病毒）人传人风险较低。” 您对此有何关注？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: How concerned are you that on January 15, Li Qun, the head of China's CDC Emergency Center, he told state television, "after careful screening and prudent judgment, we have reached the latest understanding that the risk of human-to-human transmission is low". 

zh-cn	大使先生，现已无法了解有多少万人因为这一结论失去生命。
en-us	Mr. Ambassador, there's no way of knowing how many thousands of people have died because of that statement.

zh-cn	崔大使：我不是医生，我无法向你解释所有技术问题。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: You see, I'm not a medical doctor. I cannot explain all the technical things to you. 

zh-cn	我不知道这位李先生说了什么。
en-us	And I'm not aware of what he said, this particular Mr. Li.

zh-cn	斯旺：他在接受央视采访时说的。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: He said it on state television.

zh-cn	崔大使：我不可能观看所有的电视节目。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I don't watch everything on state television. 

zh-cn	正像我之前说的，我也想再次提醒你，这是一个发现病毒的过程。
en-us	As I said earlier, let me remind you again, this is a process of discovering about the virus.

zh-cn	斯旺：但早在12月27日就有医生提醒人们，武汉同济医院肺科专家赵建平医生就提醒过武汉疾控中心，这一病毒可能会人传人。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: But there are doctors who alerted people as early as December 27. We have Zhao Jianping, a pulmonologist at Tongji hospital in Wuhan. He alerted the Wuhan CDC that it could spread from human to human. 

zh-cn	问题是，为什么时隔两周后，中国当局仍告诉公众病毒不太可能人传人呢？
en-us	So I guess the question is two weeks after that, why is the Chinese authority still telling the public that it's not likely to spread between people.

zh-cn	崔大使：我们了解到这一病毒会人传人之后立即向公众发出了提醒。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I think we alerted the people as soon as we learned this could be transmitted from human to human. 

zh-cn	但得出结论之前必须要有证据，必须以科学为基础。
en-us	But before you come to this conclusion, you have to look at the evidence. You have to base yourself on science. 

zh-cn	你我都不是医生，我不认为我们有能力对所有技术问题进行讨论，这么做可能会对观众形成误导，如果那样会很麻烦。
en-us	We are not medical doctors. I don't think we're in the best position to discuss all the technical things. We might be misleading to our audience. That's very troublesome.

zh-cn	斯旺：我只是在引述医生说的话。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I'm just quoting medical doctors who spoke of all the records.

zh-cn	崔大使：就连医生之间也没有完全达成一致。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I don't think even the doctors have total agreement among themselves. 

zh-cn	这取决于你引用的是谁的话。
en-us	It depends on whom you are quoting.

zh-cn	斯旺：医生们肯定对病毒会人传人这一点肯定有共识。医生说……
en-us	Jonathan Swan: They definitely have agreement that it spreads from human to human. These doctors said ……

zh-cn	崔大使：现在这一点已经证实。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: This is now a proven fact. 

zh-cn	所以我们才尽一切可能帮助人。
en-us	That's why we are doing everything possible to help people.

zh-cn	斯旺：大使先生，我们讨论的是使公众获得信息。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Mr. Ambassador, we're talking about information getting out to the public. 

zh-cn	我得问您一些失踪记者的情况。
en-us	I have to ask you about some journalists that have disappeared. 

zh-cn	公民记者陈秋实在哪里？
en-us	Where is the citizen journalist Chen Qiushi? 

zh-cn	当时他正制作关于疫情发生后武汉的反应和当地一些混乱情况的早期视频。
en-us	He was doing some of the early videos from inside Wuhan that were showing the response to the virus and the chaos that was happening inside Wuhan.

zh-cn	崔大使：我未听说过此人。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I have not heard of this person.

zh-cn	斯旺：真的吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Really? 

zh-cn	在2月9日您在《面向全民》的采访中还被问到他的情况。
en-us	You were asked about him on Face the Nation on February 9.

zh-cn	崔大使：没有，我没有被问到具体某个记者。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: No, I was not asked about any particular journalist.

zh-cn	斯旺：当时您被问到了。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: You were. 

zh-cn	主持人玛格丽特·布伦南提到了他。
en-us	She, Margaret Brennan named Chen Qiushi.

zh-cn	崔大使：我以前不知道此人，现在也不知道。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: But I did not know him then. I don't know him now.

zh-cn	斯旺：一个月过去了，您不想知道他是谁吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: It's a month later. Weren't you curious to find out who he was?

zh-cn	崔大使：我们有14亿人口，我怎么可能了解每一个人的所有情况？
en-us	Ambassador Cui: We have 1.4 billion people back in China. How can I learn everything about everybody?

zh-cn	斯旺：我不是让您去了解。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I'm not asking you to. 

zh-cn	我是说《纽约时报》等国际媒体做过关于他的报道。
en-us	I'm saying this is a journalist who has been written about in the New York Times, the international media. 

zh-cn	他的家人和朋友想知道他在哪里。
en-us	His family and friends want to know where he is. 

zh-cn	您没有因好奇而打听过他的下落？
en-us	You haven't been curious to inquire about his whereabouts?

zh-cn	崔大使：我的职责所在是处理好中美关系。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: My responsibility is to manage our relations with the United States. 

zh-cn	至于国内的事，中国国内自有人在处理相关问题。
en-us	As for domestic situation, we have people back in China who are dealing with these issues. 

zh-cn	我们的司法部门负责处理（你所说的）这些问题。
en-us	We have the judiciary department there dealing with the issues. 

zh-cn	大家不应该各司其职吗？
en-us	So why not let people do their own job? 

zh-cn	我们做自己该做的事情。
en-us	And we do our job.

zh-cn	斯旺：结束采访后您也没去了解他的情况。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: And you never made an inquiry about him after the interview.

zh-cn	崔大使：为什么我非要去了解国内司法部门在做什么工作？
en-us	Ambassador Cui: Why should I make inquiries about what the judiciary people are doing back in China? 

zh-cn	我们应当尊重司法程序。
en-us	We should respect their procedures.

zh-cn	斯旺：所以你也不知道方斌和李泽华发生了什么事情？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: So you don't know what happened to Fang Bin or Li Zehua? 

zh-cn	他们是另外两名公民记者，在武汉从事报道工作时也失踪了。
en-us	They were two other citizen journalists who disappeared while reporting from Wuhan.

zh-cn	崔大使：说实话，我非常怀疑这些是否是事实。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: To tell you the truth, I very much doubt whether these are the real facts.

zh-cn	斯旺：您为什么怀疑呢？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Why do you doubt that? 

zh-cn	您都不知道他们是谁，《纽约时报》、《卫报》等国际媒体一直在报道此事。
en-us	You don't even know who they are. The New York Times has been reporting, the Guardian, the international media.

zh-cn	崔大使:我为什么要相信《纽约时报》所说的一切呢？
en-us	Ambassador Cui: Why should I believe everything the New York Times is saying? 

zh-cn	并不是所有美国人都相信报纸的所有报道，我为什么要相信呢？
en-us	Not everybody here in the United States believes everything the paper is saying. Why should I?

zh-cn	斯旺：我想我的问题是，您为什么不想知道呢？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I guess my question is why wouldn't you want to find out? 

zh-cn	他们是中国公民，他们的家人和朋友说他们失踪了。
en-us	These are Chinese citizens. Their family and friends said they've disappeared. 

zh-cn	我不明白您为什么不想知道真相。
en-us	I don't understand why you wouldn't want to know what the truth is. 

zh-cn	如果您说《纽约时报》的报道不是事实，那对您的国家来说是一个很严重的问题。
en-us	If you say it's false, what the New York Times is reporting, it's a big issue for your country. 

zh-cn	您不想知道吗？
en-us	Wouldn't you want to know?

zh-cn	崔大使：我不认为这是很严重的问题。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I don't think this is a big issue. 

zh-cn	我们都应该尊重各自国家的司法程序，而不是试图干预。
en-us	I think we should all respect the judiciary procedures in our own countries. We should not try to interfere.

zh-cn	斯旺：好的。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: OK, Mr. Ambassador. 

zh-cn	大使先生，我的下一个问题是，如您所知，人群聚集的场所传播病毒的风险很大。
en-us	But my next question, as you know, crowded facilities are at a high risk for the spread of this virus. 

zh-cn	中国当局在新疆采取了哪些措施确保“集中营”中好几十万穆斯林能安然度过这次新冠肺炎疫情？
en-us	What measures have the Chinese authorities taken in Xinjiang to ensure that the hundreds of thousands of Muslims who are in concentration camps there will survive this coronavirus outbreak.

zh-cn	崔大使：抱歉，我时不时就得纠正你的话。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I'm sorry. I have to make corrections about what you're saying from time to time. 

zh-cn	首先，新疆没有集中营。
en-us	First of all, there's no concentration camp in Xinjiang. 

zh-cn	那里曾有一些职业培训中心，不是“集中营”，是校园。
en-us	There used to be some vocational training centers. So it's not camps, it's campus. 

zh-cn	教培中心的所有学员都已经毕业，找到了新工作。幸运的是，新疆是新冠肺炎确诊病例数量较少的几个省份之一。
en-us	And all these trainees in these centers, they have graduated, they have their new jobs. And fortunately, Xinjiang is one of the few provinces that have very few confirmed cases of this virus. 

zh-cn	因此那里的卫生形势可能比其他不少省份要好。
en-us	So the health situation there maybe is somehow better than some of the other provinces.

zh-cn	斯旺：那么，您可以向世界保证吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: So you can assure the world? 

zh-cn	您知道联合国和世界各地有很多人关心这些“集中营”里的维吾尔族人和哈萨克族人。
en-us	And as you know there are a lot of people in the United Nations or around the world, who are concerned about the Uyghurs and the ethnic Kazakhs, the Muslims who have been in these camps. 

zh-cn	您可以向他们保证，已经没有穆斯林在没有被控犯罪的情况下被迫进入这些“集中营”吗？
en-us	You can assure them that there are no more Muslims held against their will without any charge of a crime in these camps?

zh-cn	崔大使：每个国家和地区都有违反法律或受恐怖主义影响的人，美国有，中国也有。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: You see in every country and everywhere, there might be people who have violated laws and who might be under the influence of terrorism. You have such people here. We have such people in our own country.

zh-cn	这样的人必须依法受到处理，但这并不针对任何特定民族，法律面前人人平等。
en-us	 These people have to be dealt with in accordance with the law. But this is not to focus on any particular ethnic group. This is for everybody. 

zh-cn	任何企图对无辜民众发动恐怖袭击的人都应受到法律惩处。
en-us	Any person who tries to launch terrorist attacks against innocent people should be punished by the law. 

zh-cn	对任何受到恐怖主义思想影响的人，我们都应竭力阻止他们进一步沦为恐怖主义的受害者。
en-us	And for anybody who is under the influence of terrorism, we should do our best to prevent them from falling further as victims of terrorism?

zh-cn	斯旺：当然，大使先生。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Of course, Mr. Ambassador. 

zh-cn	没有人想……
en-us	No one wants to ……

zh-cn	崔大使：这种做法不是针对特定民族，法律面前人人平等。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: This is not based on any distinction between ethnic groups. This is for everybody.

zh-cn	斯旺：问题是，大使先生，没人反对您说的这一点，也就是将恐怖分子投入监狱。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Here's the problem. Mr. Ambassador, no one disagrees with you. If you are a terrorist (inaudible) you throw them in jail.

zh-cn	崔大使：正是如此。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: That's exactly what happened.

zh-cn	斯旺：但这些人，据估计大约有100万穆斯林没有被控犯罪，却被投入“集中营”。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: That these people were not charged with crimes. These are one million estimated Muslims who were put in these camps.

zh-cn	崔大使：你怎么得出100万这个数字？
en-us	Ambassador Cui: How do you come with the number: one million?

zh-cn	斯旺：不是我得出来的，是联合国。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: It wasn't me. It was the United Nations.

zh-cn	崔大使：不，不是联合国，我不认为这个数字来自联合国。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: No, not the United Nations. I don't think it's the United Nations.

zh-cn	斯旺：来自联合国小组，那些研读卫星图像的专家、独立记者、观察员等等，您知道的。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: United Nations' panel, people who study the satellite imagery, independent journalists and observers, you know that, Mr. Ambassador.

zh-cn	崔大使：我来告诉你，过去几年，许多外国外交官、记者以及来自穆斯林国家的人们都访问了新疆，他们可以告诉你真相。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: Let me tell you, over the last couple of years, numerous foreign diplomats, journalists, people from Muslim countries, they have visited Xinjiang. They can tell you the truth.

zh-cn	为什么不听听这些去过当地的人讲的话呢？
en-us	 Why not listen to these people who have actually been on the spot?

zh-cn	斯旺：我听美国广播公司新闻团队的人讲过，这是一次有人“看管”下的参观，有些“集中营”他们不能去，也没法去看哨岗和大门。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I've listened to them, the ABC news crew. It was a chaperoned tour. This was a guided tour. They weren't allowed to go to some of the camps and check the watch towers and the gates. 

zh-cn	但我的问题是，您既然说这是职业技能教育培训中心，那恐怖分子就不应该被送到这些地方去。
en-us	But my question is you said these were vocational training centers. You don't put terrorists in vocational training centers.

zh-cn	崔大使：不是。这些中心针对的是可能受到或曾经受到恐怖主义影响的人。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: No, these centers are for the people who may be under the influence or who used to be under the influence of terrorism. 

zh-cn	他们大多数不是真正的罪犯，也不是真正的恐怖分子。
en-us	Most of them are not actual criminals, are not actual terrorists. 

zh-cn	因此，我们向他们提供了培训，让他们学习法律和专业技能等，从而有更好的工作前景。
en-us	That's why we provided training for them to learn more about the law, learn more about professional skills, so that they will have a better prospect of finding a good job.

zh-cn	这也是发生在大多数人身上的事。
en-us	 And that happened to most of them.

zh-cn	斯旺：很多没有被控犯罪却被迫进入的人称自己被监禁、单独关押、殴打、剥夺食物。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Many of these people who have been put in against their will, who haven't been charged with a crime, have described being confined, solitary confinement, beatings, deprivation of food. 

zh-cn	哈萨克族人凯拉特·撒马尔罕对美国全国公共广播电台说自己遭受酷刑，必须穿着铁做的衣服。
en-us	Ethnic Kazakh Kayrat Samarkand told NPR that he was tortured, he had to wear an iron suit. 

zh-cn	这么做就能帮助他们了吗？
en-us	How does that help people when you put them in these conditions?

zh-cn	崔大使：坦率说，如果你继续列举这些充满偏见和成见的材料，我们之间的交流不会起到任何有益的作用。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: Let me be very frank with you. If you keep reading out of these materials that are full of bias and prejudice, I don't think our communication will serve any useful purpose.

zh-cn	斯旺：为何无益？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: But why not?

zh-cn	大使先生，这是美国家公共广播电台的主流新闻报道，我不是在读什么不入流的新闻。
en-us	Mr. Ambassador, this is a mainstream news report in National Public Radio. I'm not reading you fringe things.

zh-cn	崔大使：为什么大家不去看看事实是什么，不去听听真正去过那些地方的人的话呢？
en-us	Ambassador Cui: Why people refuse to look at the facts, listen to the people who have visited the place? 

zh-cn	为什么你要坚持这些偏见和成见？
en-us	Why you stick to all these bias and prejudice? 

zh-cn	我不明白。
en-us	I don't understand.

zh-cn	斯旺：大使先生，我没有编造。我正在引用从“集中营”出来的人对媒体说的话，这是公开发表的。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Mr. Ambassador, I'm not trying to devise. I'm actually pointing people who have come out of these camps and talk to the press on the record. 

zh-cn	这就是我所能做的，这些被引导的参观...
en-us	That's all I can do. This guided media tour is...

zh-cn	崔大使：我努力告诉你事实，但你却拒绝听。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I'm trying my best to tell you the truth and you just refuse to listen.

zh-cn	斯旺：不，我在听。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: No, I'm listening. 

zh-cn	所以，您是说所有从“集中营”出来并讲述这些经历的人都在撒谎吗，因为这样的人有几十个。
en-us	So you're saying all these people are lying, who have come out and said it, because it's been dozens of them.

zh-cn	崔大使：我说的不是这个。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: No, that's not what I'm saying. 

zh-cn	我是说，很多穆斯林国家的人士、外交官和记者到过那里，为什么不听听他们的话？
en-us	What I'm saying is that there are people who have visited these places, people from Muslim countries, diplomats and journalists. Why don't you listen to these people?

zh-cn	斯旺：他们中有任何人不是在中国政府官员陪同下参观这些地方的吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Have any of them visited without the Chinese government accompanying them into this ...?

zh-cn	崔大使：他们去到中国领土上，怎么能在中国领土上排除中方的存在呢？
en-us	Ambassador Cui: They are in Chinese territory. How can you exclude the Chinese side on Chinese territory?

zh-cn	斯旺：不是要排除中方。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: It's not excluding. 

zh-cn	如果您想访问美国的一些设施，可能不一定会受到美方看管。
en-us	If you want to visit certain facilities in the US, you wouldn't necessarily have a US chaperon.

zh-cn	崔大使：但是我们仍然必须遵守美国法律。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: But we still have to abide by US laws here. 

zh-cn	你看，我们必须遵守当地规则和规定。
en-us	You see, we have to follow the rules and regulations here. 

zh-cn	而且你知道，几年前新疆的安全形势非常严峻，有外国访客时我们必须确保其安全，但其他方面都是开放的。
en-us	And also because the terrorist situation in Xinjiang used to be very serious a few years ago, when we have foreign visitors, we have to make sure they have security, but otherwise it's open to them. 

zh-cn	他们可以去看想看的任何东西。
en-us	They can see whatever they want to see. 

zh-cn	他们会告诉你看到了什么。
en-us	They can tell you what they saw there.

zh-cn	斯旺：在新疆，我可以在没有中国政府人员陪同下去想去的任何地方吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Would I go there without accompaniment from the Chinese government to visit wherever I wanted in Xinjiang?

zh-cn	崔大使：我认为你必须尊重当地法律法规、当地文化以及人们的感受。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I think you have to respect the local laws and also the local culture, how people feel. 

zh-cn	不管是你，还是外国记者或外交官，都是访客，是客人，至少应该学会尊重主人，学会更加照顾主人的感受。
en-us	You are, not only you but also foreign reporters, diplomats, they are visitors, they are guests. At least they should learn to respect and to be more sensitive to how the host feels. 

zh-cn	这不是正常的事吗？
en-us	Is that normal? 

zh-cn	如果我去你家，却不在乎你的感受，这正常吗？
en-us	If I come to your house and I don't care what you feel, is that normal?

zh-cn	斯旺：我不是不尊重。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: So I'm not trying to be disrespectful. 

zh-cn	我只是向您指出那些在“集中营”待过的维吾尔族人对主流媒体讲的话。
en-us	I am pointing to you what Uyghurs who have been in these camps have said to mainstream outlets. 

zh-cn	我没有引用不入流的信息。
en-us	I'm not giving you things from the fringe. 

zh-cn	我在努力让您回应这个话题。
en-us	I'm trying to get you to respond to this topic. 

zh-cn	我们可以谈谈卫星图像吗？
en-us	Can we move on to another thing which is the satellite imagery. 

zh-cn	有很多这类的卫星图像，我看过《卫报》报道里的图像，这些卫星图片表明，2016年以来，在新疆的几十座清真寺和宗教场所已被摧毁。
en-us	So there's been a lot and I've looked at the images the Guardian reported that show that several dozen, perhaps more than two dozen, mosques and religious sites of the Muslims in Xinjiang have been destroyed since 2016.

zh-cn	我看到的这些卫星图像也是假的吗？
en-us	And I looked at the images. Are they false too?

zh-cn	崔大使：如果你自己去新疆看看，就会发现新疆的人均清真寺数量比世界上其他许多地方包括一些穆斯林国家都多。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: If you go to Xinjiang and have a look for yourself, you will find out there are more mosques in Xinjiang on per capita terms than in many other places in the world, including more mosques in Xinjiang on per capita terms than in some of Muslim countries.

zh-cn	斯旺：但是，当卫星图像显示这些地方，比如伊玛目阿西姆，贾法里·萨迪克等的场所都被摧毁了。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: But when a satellite shows that these sites, specific sites like Imam Asim, Jafari Sadiq shrine have been destroyed.

zh-cn	图像里可以很清晰看到这些。
en-us	The satellites show that simplicity.

zh-cn	为什么摧毁它们？
en-us	Why are they being destroyed?

zh-cn	崔大使：我不认为它们是被摧毁了。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I don't think they have been destroyed.

zh-cn	斯旺：卫星图像是这么显示的。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: The satellites show that.

zh-cn	崔大使：我告诉过你真相。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I have told you the truth. 

zh-cn	按人均计算新疆的清真寺数量甚至超过某些穆斯林国家。
en-us	There are more mosques in Xinjiang on per capita terms than even in some Muslim countries. 

zh-cn	也许其中一些清真寺在改造、在维修。
en-us	Maybe some of them are going through restoration. Some of them are undergoing some repair. 

zh-cn	去年我去了新疆，亲眼看到了很多，我还参观了其中一个教培中心。
en-us	You see, I was in Xinjiang last year. I saw all these things with my own eyes. I even visited one of the training centers.

zh-cn	斯旺：您去过上面说的这些清真寺吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Did you visit any of these mosques that you say are being…

zh-cn	崔大使：我去过新疆很多有名的清真寺。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: Yes, I went to a couple of the best-known mosques in Xinjiang.

zh-cn	斯旺：但当您看到这种关于几十个清真寺被摧毁的报告时，您去探访过其中任何一个了解一下发生了什么吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: But when you see these reports of several dozen being destroyed, did you go and visit any of them to find out what happened?

zh-cn	崔大使：我没有看到任何东西被摧毁。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I did not see anything being destroyed.

zh-cn	斯旺：好的。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: OK. 

zh-cn	我真的只是努力向您指出有这样的报告和卫星图像，希望您做出回应。
en-us	I'm honestly just, I'm just pointing to you a report and satellite imagery. I'm just trying to get (inaudible) of it. 

zh-cn	大使先生，最后一个有关的问题：中方是否愿意在不施加监督情况下，让国际人权观察员进入新疆视察情况？
en-us	Mr. Ambassador, last question on this, would you be prepared to let international human rights observers into Xinjiang to observe without supervision?

zh-cn	崔大使：中国驻联合国代表团正就此同联合国人权高专办进行沟通，中方正尽全力安排高专办的有关访问。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I think our people in the United Nations have been working on this with the Human Rights Commission of the UN. We are doing our best to arrange for the visit by High Commissioner of Human Rights. 

zh-cn	但问题是有些相关人员为此访预设前提，毫无道理地设置政治前提，这干涉了中国和高专办的关系，也不符合联合国的利益。
en-us	I think the problem is that some of the people involved are raising preconditions, very unreasonable political preconditions. We believe this is an interference in the relations between China and the Office of the High Commissioner on Human Rights. I don't think that serves the best interests of the United Nations. 

zh-cn	但我们正同联合国方面一起努力清除一切可能存在的、无理的和不必要的障碍，推动访问尽早成行。
en-us	But we're working on it together with our colleagues in the UN to overcome any possible and all these unreasonable, unnecessary obstacles, so this visit will happen as soon as possible.

zh-cn	斯旺：您能理解为何大家对此有关切吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Do you understand why people are concerned? 

zh-cn	譬如有人被关进这些设施，他们的孩子成了孤儿，您能理解大家对新疆的事态感到担忧吧。
en-us	Like when you have orphanages being (inaudible) for children, whose parents are being put into these facilities? Did you understand why people feel worried about what's going on in Xinjiang?

zh-cn	崔大使：我认为当几年前新疆发生数千起暴恐袭击，无辜民众被杀戮和伤害的时候，人们才应倍感担忧，也确实应该忧虑。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I think people do have to be worried about the situation in Xinjiang when a few years ago there were thousands of cases of terrorist attacks, killing and hurting thousands of innocent people. That's when and that's why people should be worried.

zh-cn	现在新疆已经有3年多没有发生一起恐怖袭击事件了，人们应该感到放松和幸福才对。
en-us	 Now, we have had no single case of terrorist attack for the last three years and more. So people should be more relieved, more relaxed, and happy about that.

zh-cn	斯旺：有人找不到家人，他们说家人还在“集中营”里，他们很不高兴，非常忧虑。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Then people who still can't find their family, who they say are still in these camps, they're not very happy, Mr. Ambassador, they're very worried.

zh-cn	崔大使：正如我刚才说的，这些教培中心已经完成任务，学员全部毕业了，他们走上了新的工作岗位。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: As I told you before, as I told you earlier, these training centers have done their job, and the trainees, they have graduated, they are now working on their new jobs.

zh-cn	斯旺：那我现在去看的话会发现人去楼空吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: So if I visit any of them, there's no one in there, it's all free, they're empty, these buildings, the ones with watchtowers that we can see on the satellites, they're empty of people.

zh-cn	崔大使：我很希望你能有机会去新疆看一看。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I do hope you have a chance to go there and have a look for yourself.

zh-cn	斯旺：我真的很想去。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I would like to, I would really like to.

zh-cn	崔大使：那你提出申请。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: Well, you could apply.

zh-cn	斯旺：我会的。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I think I will. 

zh-cn	我同事未被允许，我要试一试。
en-us	My colleagues are not allowed into China. 

zh-cn	我还想问一下有关病毒下一步发展的问题。
en-us	So I'm going to try. 

zh-cn	在接下来几周或几个月时间内中方要做什么？
en-us	I want to ask you about the next steps with this virus. 

zh-cn	事实上我们也不知道全球防疫需要多长时间。
en-us	What is China going to do in the coming weeks and months that we perhaps don't know about in terms of the global response to the coronavirus, Mr. Ambassador?

zh-cn	崔大使：你指的是中方自己要做什么，还是为国际社会做什么？
en-us	Ambassador Cui: You mean what China is going to do for ourselves or for the world?

zh-cn	斯旺：我指这两方面。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I would like to mean both, Mr. Ambassador.

zh-cn	崔大使：我认为，对中方自身而言，我们要确保病例不再增多，这至关重要，要真正做到清零，确保人民的健康安全得到充分保护。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I think for ourselves, we have to make sure that the numbers of cases will not come up again. This is very important. We have to really reduce it to zero to make sure that our people are safe and their health sufficiently protected.

zh-cn	当然，我们也应加速药物和疫苗的研发，为今后应对病毒提供更好的工具。
en-us	 And of course, we have to maybe speed up our work on developing drugs and vaccines possibly, so people will have better tools in the future.

zh-cn	同时，我们愿意，也正努力同其他国家开展抗疫合作。
en-us	And in the world, we are ready and we are already working with other countries. 

zh-cn	我们同世界卫生组织一直合作密切。
en-us	First of all, we are working very closely all along with the World Health Organization. 

zh-cn	就在几天前，我们同世卫组织和其他一些国家举行了视频会议，协调抗疫努力。
en-us	I think just a couple of days ago, we had a big conference, video conference with the World Health Organization and a number of other countries to coordinate our work on the virus.

zh-cn	我们还向周边国家及意大利等国提供了援助。
en-us	And we're also making specific assistance to a number of neighbors and other countries like Italy and other countries in the world. 

zh-cn	我们愿与国际社会携手努力，因为这是一个全球性挑战，疫情防控必须在全球范围取得成功，否则没有一个国家是安全的。
en-us	We are ready to work with all the other countries, because this is a global challenge, unless there's global success in containing this virus, no country could feel safe. 

zh-cn	我们对此有充分认识，将竭尽全力帮助其他国家。
en-us	We fully understand that. So we are ready to do whatever we can to help others.

zh-cn	当然，在疫情爆发之初，许多国家向我们伸出援手，美国人民、企业、一些团体和专家们也向我们伸出援手，美一些专家很早就去往中国，一些则加入了世卫组织专家考察团，我们对他们心存感激。
en-us	And of course, we are also very grateful at the initial stage so many countries came to our help, including the American people, American businesses, American institutions, American specialists. Some of them came to China at a very early stage, some of them joined the WHO expert team. We are very grateful to them.

zh-cn	斯旺：您怎么看待当前的美中关系？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: How would you describe, Mr. Ambassador, the state of the US-China relationship today?

zh-cn	崔大使：我认为我们正处在一个关键节点。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I think we're at the critical juncture. 

zh-cn	我们——我说我们是指我们两国——必须为双边关系未来发展及子孙后代（的福祉）做出正确选择。
en-us	We - when I say "we", I mean both countries - we have to make the right choice for the future of our relations, for the future generations of our peoples.

zh-cn	斯旺：您能详细谈一谈吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Can you expand on that, Mr. Ambassador.

zh-cn	关键节点是指什么和什么之间的节点？
en-us	What (is) a juncture, between what and what?

zh-cn	崔大使：事实上，中美合作是唯一正确选择。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I think we actually, we have no alternative than cooperation with each other. 

zh-cn	唯有双方共同努力，推进以协调、合作、稳定为基调的中美关系，两国人民才能拥有美好未来。
en-us	I think the only good future for the people of our two countries is that we work together to develop a relationship based on coordination, cooperation and stability. 

zh-cn	我们坚决反对企图挑起两国对抗、发动“新冷战”、鼓噪所谓经济脱钩的做法，这不符合且将严重伤害两国人民的真正利益。
en-us	We certainly reject any attempt to stir up confrontation or even start a new Cold War between us or talk about the so-called economic decoupling. I don't think these things will serve the real interests of our two peoples. They will very much hurt the real interests of our peoples.

zh-cn	斯旺：请允许我这么说，您今天确实没有这么做，但您的同事、中国外交部的官员却是在这么做，他撒谎说病毒来自美国军事实验室，他的说法无助于人们信任中国共产党。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: If I may say so, Mr. Ambassador, you haven't done this today, but your colleague, very much from the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, is doing exactly that, when he says that this virus, I mean it's a lie, when he lies about where the virus came from and says it came from a US military lab. That is not helping people trust the Chinese Communist Party.

zh-cn	崔大使：我不明白你为什么动辄把矛头指向中国共产党。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I don't understand why you always refer to the Party. 

zh-cn	你知道现在奋战在抗疫一线、救治病患的医护人员中很多就是中国共产党党员吗？
en-us	Do you know the fact so many doctors and nurses who're at the very front trying to combat this virus and save people, they are members of the Party. 

zh-cn	我不知道你是否清楚这一事实。
en-us	I don't know if you're aware of the fact. 

zh-cn	(你刚才提到的）李文亮医生也是中国共产党党员，你知道吗？
en-us	And even Dr. Li Wenliang, he was a member of the Communist Party. Are you aware of the fact?

zh-cn	斯旺：当然，我知道。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Of course I am. So what I am asking about...(inaudible)

zh-cn	崔大使：或许你该显示出更多的尊重，因为中国共产党和人民保持着血肉联系。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: Then perhaps you should show more respect, because people have very close ties with the Party. 

zh-cn	如果你攻击中国共产党，那绝大多数中国人民会认为你在攻击他们！
en-us	If you try to attack the Party, I think the overwhelming majority of the Chinese people will believe that you are attacking them.

zh-cn	斯旺：大使，我向您保证，我没有攻击中国共产党，我下面就以中国政府指代吧。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: I'm assuring you, Mr. Ambassador, I'm not trying to attack the Party. Let me describe it as the Chinese Government then. 

zh-cn	中国外交部发言人发出那些言论，做的恰恰是您说的那些事。
en-us	When he makes these statements, he's the spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, he does what you just described.

zh-cn	崔大使：你要全面看待所有事实。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: I think you have to look at the whole, all the facts. 

zh-cn	中方不是这场相互指责的发起者。
en-us	We did not start such kind of mutual accusation.

zh-cn	斯旺：那好。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: OK.

zh-cn	崔大使：发起相互指责的人就在华盛顿。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: It was all started here, in Washington, DC. 

zh-cn	这才是事实。
en-us	This is a real fact.

zh-cn	斯旺：您对正在收看采访的美国政府官员和美国人民有什么要说的吗？
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Mr. Ambassador, do you have any message for your counterparts in the United States who are watching you or for the American people who are watching this, who want to understand.

zh-cn	两国政府互不信任已公开化。
en-us	You know, this is a moment where there's a lot of distrust between the two governments, and we're seeing that play out publicly. 

zh-cn	您在这个重要时刻想说点什么。
en-us	And I think it's an important moment for you to say what you want to say to the people who are watching.

zh-cn	崔大使：首先，我想感谢支持和帮助过中国抗疫斗争的美国人民，包括企业、机构和普通人。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: First of all, I want to thank the American people, American businesses, American institutions, and even ordinary American people for their support and help to China in combating this virus. 

zh-cn	其次，我还想对他们说，我们是在同一条船上。
en-us	Number two, I want to say to them, we are really in the same boat. 

zh-cn	我们面对的是全球公共卫生挑战，甚至不止于此。
en-us	This is a global challenge, global public health challenge, maybe even more than that. 

zh-cn	我们必须要并肩合作抗击病毒，恢复经济正常运作，重塑人们对世界经济的信心，培育应对其他类似危机的能力。
en-us	So we have to work together as partners to combat the virus, to restore the normal situation to the economy, to build up people's confidence about the global economy, to build up a capability to respond to any crises like this. 

zh-cn	我们有共同利益，同为人类命运共同体的一份子，必须共筑美好未来。
en-us	We have shared interest. We are really all part of the same community of nations. We have to build a better future for us all together. This is my main message to the American people and to the American Government.

zh-cn	让我们行动起来。
en-us	 Let's do it.

zh-cn	斯旺：我对中国人民因为疫情而承受的痛苦表达我个人的慰问。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Mr. Ambassador, I want to send you my personal condolences for all the suffering in China that's happened from this virus. 

zh-cn	情况很糟糕，我们希望全世界的情况能好起来。
en-us	It's been a terrible situation, and we hope that things can get better around the world.

zh-cn	崔大使：我也很关注美国的疫情发展，确诊病例在增多，我很担心。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: And I'm also concerned that the number of confirmed cases here, the number of confirmed cases in the United States, is going up. I'm very worried about that. 

zh-cn	美国有很强的医疗能力和技术，希望你们能充分利用这些强项，及时防控住疫情，尽可能降低死亡率。
en-us	Hopefully, because the United States is very strong in your medical capability, in technology, hopefully you'll make best use of all these, all your strength and contain and control the virus very timely, so there will be as few as possible cases of death here in the United States.

zh-cn	斯旺：非常感谢您抽出时间接受我们的采访。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Mr. Ambassador, we thank you so much for your time, for answering questions, for speaking with us today.

zh-cn	崔大使：感谢你采访我。
en-us	Ambassador Cui: OK. Thank you for taking this interview.

zh-cn	斯旺：谢谢。
en-us	Jonathan Swan: Thank you, sir.