zh-cn	马辉公使就中国抗击疫情接受英国独立电视台专访实录
en-us	Minister Ma Hui Gives Interview on "ITV News at Ten"

zh-cn	2020年2月25日，马辉公使就中国抗击新冠肺炎疫情、中英关系等接受英国独立电视台专访。
en-us	On 25 February 2020, Minister Ma Hui gave an interview to ITV health journalist Emily Morgan, on "ITV News at Ten" about COVID-19 epidemic. 

zh-cn	专访实录如下：
en-us	The full text is as follows:

zh-cn	记者：欢迎马辉公使来到独立电视台。
en-us	Morgan: Minister Ma, it's an honour to have you with us here.

zh-cn	马公使：我很高兴接受你的采访。
en-us	Minister Ma: My pleasure.

zh-cn	记者：新冠肺炎疫情显然已引发全球性讨论，疫情尚未演变为全球“大流行病”。
en-us	Morgan: Coronavirus has obviously got the world talking. It's not a pandemic yet, but it's an epidemic. 

zh-cn	中国已经有效控制疫情，对吗？
en-us	Has China got it under control?

zh-cn	马公使：可以这么说。
en-us	Minister Ma: Yes, I would say so. 

zh-cn	疫情发生以来，中国政府采取了非常严格、全面的防控举措，目前已经出现积极向好势头，取得成效。
en-us	Since the outbreak of the coronavirus, the Chinese government has taken very strict, all-out and comprehensive measures to contain and control the virus and so far I think we have seen positive signs. 

zh-cn	根据中国—世界卫生组织联合专家组展示的图表，专家们指出，新冠肺炎疫情顶峰已过，因为近日中国全国新增确诊病例少于500例，大大低于峰值时期的数值。
en-us	If you look at this chart presented by the China-WHO joint mission recently in China, The epidemic has already peaked. Because nowadays the new confirmed cases all over China is less than 500, but at the highest it was a lot more than that. 

zh-cn	虽然出现好的迹象，但我们没有自我满足，不获全胜决不轻言成功。
en-us	So we have seen some good signs, but we say we are not complacent. We won't call it a victory until we have a complete win. 

zh-cn	我们不会麻痹松劲，将继续与病毒斗争，坚持把人民的生命安全和健康放在首位。
en-us	We will not slacken our efforts and will continue to fight against the virus and make sure that we give top priority to the safety and life of our people. 

zh-cn	中国的不懈努力为全球应对疫情争取了宝贵时间，我们不仅是为保护中国人民，也为保护世界人民，为维护全球公共卫生。
en-us	We are doing this for the Chinese people, but also for the world, because our serious efforts have bought time for the world to prepare for any pandemic. So we are working not only for us, but for global public health.

zh-cn	记者：中国因其应对疫情和严格防控措施受到广泛赞誉，但你们是否为疫情爆发最初几周内未能做出及时反应而感到后悔？
en-us	Morgan: China has been widely praised for its handling of this and the strict controls that you've put in place. But do you regret the first few weeks of this outbreak emerging?

zh-cn	马公使：世卫组织总干事对中国防控行动给予非常客观的评价，称赞中国不仅阻止疫情在中国国内向武汉以外地区蔓延，也避免了疫情迅速向世界其他地区蔓延，中国的努力应当受到尊重。
en-us	Minister Ma: The WHO Director-General gave a very objective appraisal of what China has been doing to prevent the spread of the epidemic to other parts of China outside Hubei province, and also to the other parts of the world. These efforts need to be respected. 

zh-cn	我们并无邀誉之心，但这是客观事实。
en-us	We did not ask for the praise. It's only a matter of fact.

zh-cn	新冠病毒是一种全新病毒，人们没有充分准备，不知道它传染性多强，不知道会有多少人受到感染。
en-us	But this is a new virus, people were not fully prepared. People didn't know how contagious it is or how many people might get infected. 

zh-cn	当然，我们应该从每次疫情中吸取教训
en-us	There are always lessons to be learned from an epidemic like this.

zh-cn	记者：中国在哪些方面本应做得更好？
en-us	Morgan: What could you have done better?

zh-cn	马公使：我们现在的工作重点仍是防控疫情，直到取得全胜。
en-us	Minister Ma: Of course now we are focusing on fighting the virus until we triumph over the virus. 

zh-cn	但同时，我们也在研究需要改进和提高的领域。
en-us	But in the meantime we are also looking at areas where we could improve. 

zh-cn	正如习近平主席指出的，这次疫情暴露了我们工作中的一些短板，包括如何有效应对突发公共卫生事件等。
en-us	President Xi has already pointed out that the epidemic exposed some of the shortcomings in our own work, including how to fully prepare for a public health emergency.

zh-cn	记者：你认为在最初的几天和几周内是否可以更早采取行动？
en-us	Morgan: Do you think you could have acted sooner in those first few days and weeks?

zh-cn	马公使：说易行难。
en-us	Minister Ma: I think this is all easily said than done. 

zh-cn	总会有人根据后知后觉说当初应更快采取行动。
en-us	With hindsight, people always say that you could have acted much faster, in much greater speed. 

zh-cn	但是，正如世卫组织总干事高级顾问所说，这是一种新的病毒，一开始人们并没有做好准备。
en-us	But as the senior adviser to the WHO Director-General mentioned that this is a new virus, people were not prepared. 

zh-cn	正如有人所说，有些事情是我们知道的，有些事情是我们不知道的，还有些事情我们甚至不知道我们不知道。
en-us	As someone remarked there are some known knowns, known unkowns, and unkown unknowns. It is easy to say that we should have acted faster or better. 

zh-cn	一方面，的确需要从此次疫情中总结教训；
en-us	There should be lessons to be learned. 

zh-cn	另一方面，中国的积极努力应该获得尊重和肯定。
en-us	But generally speaking, China's efforts actually need respect. 

zh-cn	各国都是人类命运共同体的一员，应该共克时艰，战胜病毒。
en-us	We have done that, as I said, also for global public health. We are in a community of shared future, so we are all together here. 

zh-cn	国际社会应当加强合作
en-us	We should work together to overcome this difficulty.

zh-cn	记者：几周前，刘晓明大使在中国使馆举行记者会，警告英国及其他国家不要恐慌或过度反应。
en-us	Morgan: A few weeks ago, the Ambassador held a press conference at the Embassy when he warned the UK and other countries not to panic and not to make any knee-jerk decisions. 

zh-cn	你觉得英国的反应是恐慌吗？
en-us	Do you still feel that the UK is panicking?

zh-cn	马公使：首先，我认为在保持防范与避免恐慌之间达到平衡并不容易。
en-us	Minister Ma: First of all, I think it's always very difficult to strike a right balance between precaution and avoiding panic. 

zh-cn	我们感谢英国政府、领导人及普通民众给予中国人民的支持。
en-us	We are grateful for the support the UK government, the leaders, and also ordinary people give to the Chinese people. 

zh-cn	英国伊丽莎白二世女王表达了支持，英国首相约翰逊在与习近平主席通话时对中国采取的严格防控措施表示赞赏。
en-us	The Queen has expressed her support. The UK Prime Minister in a telephone conversation with the Chinese President also actually appreciated what China has done to prevent the further spread of the disease. 

zh-cn	世卫组织建议各国不应过度反应，也不应恐慌，反对实行贸易和旅行限制。
en-us	The WHO advised countries not to overreact, no to panic over the epidemic.WHO actually advised against imposing trade and travel restrictions. 

zh-cn	今天早上，英国卫生大臣汉考克提到，意大利暂停了往来中国的航班，但并未达到控制疫情的目的。
en-us	Just this morning the UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock mentioned that Italy has stopped flights between China and Italy, but it didn't help. 

zh-cn	我们关注意大利最近疫情暴发，愿加强防控合作。
en-us	Actually there is an outbreak of cases in Italy. We are sorry for that, but we want to work together to prevent and contain the epidemic.

zh-cn	记者：你是否认为英国目前实行的旅行禁令没有必要？
en-us	Morgan: Do you think the travel restrictions are unnecessary that UK have imposed?

zh-cn	马公使：英国政府并未发布任何针对中国旅行者的入境英国限制，也未禁止中国航班入境。
en-us	Minister Ma: The UK government has not imposed any travel restrictions on Chinese travelers to the UK. They have not imposed any ban on flights. 

zh-cn	据我了解，一些航空公司出于商业考虑停飞部分航班。
en-us	I understand some flights were canceled because of commercial considerations. 

zh-cn	在这个特殊时期，旅客人数减少，一些航空公司因此临时取消了部分航班。
en-us	Obviously you can understand at this special time not many people travel. So some airlines have to cancel their flights for the time being. 

zh-cn	正如刘大使此前多次指出，英方不应“一刀切”看中国疫情形势，绝大部分病例集中在湖北省，中国其他地区感染的风险较低。
en-us	Of course, our Ambassador made it very clear that the UK government shouldn't view the whole China as one situation because most of the cases are concentrated in Hubei Province and the other parts of China are of relatively low risk. 

zh-cn	实际上，过去几天，中国20多个省市没有出现新增确诊病例。
en-us	Actually, over the past few days, we have seen no added confirmed cases of the virus in more than 20 provinces in China.

zh-cn	因此，英国政府坚持要求所有英国公民从中国撤出，是不恰当的。
en-us	So if the UK government insists that every British national should evacuate or leave China, it might not be very appropriate. 

zh-cn	英国政府已承诺根据形势发展进行客观评估，我希望英方在英国游客赴华旅行建议上做出正确决定。
en-us	Your government promised to assess the situation in the light of the latest developments. So I hope they will come to a right decision on travel restrictions.

zh-cn	记者：尽管如此，新冠病毒已在全球造成两千多人死亡，数万人感染，中国对此是否感到尴尬？
en-us	Morgan: Despite that, the coronavirus has caused global deaths, there are hundreds of thousands of cases. Is China embarrassed by this?

zh-cn	马公使：我对此感到悲伤，每个逝去的生命都令人痛心，中国和外国都有人被病毒夺去生命。
en-us	Minister Ma: I am sorry for the loss of life. Every life lost is a very sad story, and obviously I am very sorry that some of my own country fellows lost their lives and also lives were lost outside China. 

zh-cn	这场疫情是全球共同挑战，我们应该合作克服。
en-us	Look, this epidemic is a global thing. We need to work together to overcome this. 

zh-cn	中国政府始终把人民的生命安全放在首位，全力救治被感染患者，努力提高收治率、治愈率，降低感染率、病死率。
en-us	The Chinese government put the safety and lives of the Chinese people on top priority and we have been working very hard to save the life of those who are infected. 

zh-cn	同时应该看到，中国抗击疫情并不只是保护中国人民，也是保护世界人民。
en-us	But you should also understand that we are doing this not only for the Chinese people, but also for the people of the world. 

zh-cn	我们采取了超乎寻常的措施，对拥有上千万人口的武汉市进行了整体隔离，这是需要勇气的，充分体现了中国阻断疫情蔓延的决心，既不让疫情从武汉蔓延到中国其它地方，也不让其在全球范围内蔓延。
en-us	Locking down a whole city, 11 million people in Wuhan, is a very brave and very phenomenal measure in order to prevent the spread of the virus, not only from Wuhan to other parts of China, but also to people outside China. 

zh-cn	世卫组织领导人明确指出，如果不是中国政府的努力，感染病例恐怕还要再多出数万，也会有更多死亡病例。
en-us	So leaders of WHO made it very clear that if it had not been for the efforts of the Chinese government, maybe tens of thousands more cases would have already been there, and maybe more lives would have been lost. 

zh-cn	世界各国应看到中国政府作出的贡献以及中国人民为疫情防控所付出的牺牲。
en-us	So we think that the outside world should see the contribution of the Chinese government and the sacrifice of the Chinese people towards the containment and prevention of the virus.

zh-cn	记者：关于中英贸易，英国即将离开欧盟，是否能指望中国会与其达成全面自贸协定？
en-us	Morgan: We can move to trade relations between the UK and China. Given that the UK is about to leave the European Union, I just want to ask you whether the UK can count on China for a full and comprehensive trade deal.

zh-cn	马公使：我们对发展中英经贸关系始终持积极态度。
en-us	Minister Ma: China is always positive about doing more in terms of economic and trade cooperation with the UK.  

zh-cn	根据中方统计，去年中英贸易额增长7%，达860亿美元。
en-us	Actually, last year, according to statistics from the Chinese side, bilateral trade increased by more than 7%, so bilateral trade is more than 86 billion US dollars. 

zh-cn	两国经贸关系发展势头良好。
en-us	That is a good indication of economic and trade cooperation between our two countries. 

zh-cn	过去三年，英国的精力主要集中于脱欧。
en-us	For the past 3 years, the UK was preoccupied with Brexit. 

zh-cn	现在，你们已经完成了脱欧第一阶段。
en-us	Now, you have finished the first phase of Brexit .

zh-cn	中国对同英国商谈签署双边自贸协定持开放态度，目前两国正在开展联合贸易投资评估，为未来自贸谈判做准备。
en-us	And China is very open to the idea of a free trade agreement. Actually, the two countries have been doing the so-called appraisal or review of economic and trade relations between our two countries to lay the foundation for future negotiation of a free trade agreement.

zh-cn	中方态度始终是开放的，我们乐见中英经贸合作取得更多成果。
en-us	So we are very open to that. We hope to see more trade between China and the UK.

zh-cn	记者：但是英国对华出口仅占出口总额的3.5%，中方是否愿意增加从英国进口？
en-us	Morgan: That's what I was gonna ask you - how open you are. Only 3.5% of UK exports go to China. Are you open to increase that?

zh-cn	马公使：我们当然愿意。
en-us	Minister Ma: Yes. We are ambitious for that. 

zh-cn	我理解，由于英欧贸易占英对外贸易总额接近50%，当前英国政府的首要任务是与欧盟签订自贸协定，其次是美国。
en-us	I know that the UK government's first priority is to negotiate a good free trade deal with the EU, because EU accounts for about 50% of your trade and then the United States. 

zh-cn	同时，英国政府正雄心勃勃地推行“全球化英国”战略，中国是其中重要一部分。
en-us	But in the meantime, the UK government is ambitious. You are pursuing a "global Britain" strategy. So China is also an important part of that equation.

zh-cn	记者：中方对增加从英国进口持开放态度吗？
en-us	Morgan: So you are open to a bilateral deal?

zh-cn	马公使：是的。
en-us	Minister Ma: Yes. 

zh-cn	我们对签署自由贸易协定持开放态度。
en-us	We are open to a bilateral deal. 

zh-cn	我们欢迎外国扩大对华投资、扩大对华出口。
en-us	We have opened up our market to outside investors and exporters. 

zh-cn	习主席说，中国开放的大门只会越开越大。
en-us	The Chinese President said we will be even more open. 

zh-cn	过去几年，我们采取了许多扩大开放、拓展贸易和投资合作的措施，包括在上海举办中国国际进口博览会。
en-us	For the past few years, actually, we have introduced many new measures to liberalize foreign investment and trade, including hosting the China International Import Expo in Shanghai. 

zh-cn	我很高兴地看到许多英国企业参加了进博会，并与中方签订扩大贸易的合作协议。
en-us	I am glad that many British businesses participated in the Expo, and they actually concluded some good agreements to do more trade with China. 

zh-cn	我们取消了对英国牛肉进口禁令，英国牛肉即将被端上中国老百姓的餐桌。
en-us	UK beef will be on the table of Chinese families since we have lifted the ban on UK beef exports to China. 

zh-cn	一些英国议员告诉我，他们的选区开始向中国出口奶酪等农产品，这是好消息。
en-us	I met some MPs, who told me that their constituencies are exporting cheese and other farm products to China. These are all good news. 

zh-cn	我们对与英国发展经贸关系持开放态度，这符合中英两国的利益。
en-us	We are very open to more trade with the UK which is good for both China and the UK.

zh-cn	记者：英国是否在中国推进“一带一路”的考量之中？
en-us	Morgan: If that is so, I wonder whether the UK even features in your thinking around the Belt and Road strategy?

zh-cn	马公使：中英两国政府都认为，中英是“一带一路”合作的天然伙伴。
en-us	Minister Ma: Yes. Both sides mentioned that the UK and China are natural partners in the BRI. 

zh-cn	英国政府任命范智廉爵士为“一带一路”特使，并成立专家委员会，为中英拓展“一带一路”合作出谋划策。
en-us	The UK government has appointed a special envoy, Sir Douglas Flint and an expert board, to discuss how China and the UK can work together. 

zh-cn	英国政府积极支持“一带一路”，工商界尤其看重“ 一带一路”给中英合作带来的机遇。
en-us	And the UK government has been supportive. The businesses in the UK are especially positive about the opportunities of cooperation between China and the UK.

zh-cn	英国在金融和专业服务领域优势明显，可发挥更大作用。
en-us	Because you are very strong in terms of financial and professional services. So you have a role to play there.

zh-cn	记者：英国是否是“一带一路”沿线国？是否包含在70个合作国家中？
en-us	Morgan: Is the UK on the Road? Is it one of the 70 countries you will work with?

zh-cn	马公使：关于谁是“一带一路”沿线国家没有具体数量。
en-us	Minister Ma: Well, we don't have a particular number of countries. 

zh-cn	中国与130多个国家和数十个国际组织签订了200份协议，许多国家都在参与。
en-us	But actually last year, China signed about 200 agreements with more than 130 countries and dozens of international organizations. So many countries are on board. 

zh-cn	“一带一路”是一个高度包容的倡议，我们欢迎任何国家参与，英国显然是重要一员。
en-us	This is an all inclusive initiative. Any country is welcome to join in. Obviously, UK is a very important part of that exercise. 

zh-cn	实际上，中英两国签署了很多合作协议，涉及“一带一路”融资指导原则、绿色金融、第三方市场合作等。
en-us	As I mentioned, China and the UK also signed many agreements, on the guidelines of the financing of the BRI projects, on working on green finance, on jointly developing the third-country markets. So there is a lot that China and UK can do together. 

zh-cn	近日，约翰逊首相与习主席通话时，重申了英方愿在共建“一带一路”框架下加强同中方合作。
en-us	Actually during the recent telephone conversation with President Xi Jinping, Prime Minister Boris Johnson reaffirmed the UK's commitment to participating in the BRI projects, so that our joint work could deliver more benefits to our two peoples and also the world. 

zh-cn	“一带一路”倡议的宗旨与联合国可持续发展目标高度契合，中英加强“一带一路”框架下合作必将惠及两国乃至全世界，双方合作前景广阔。
en-us	The aims of BRI are really in line with the aims of the sustainable development goals. It's a good thing for the UK, China and the world. There is a huge scope for us to work together.

zh-cn	记者：近日中国全国人大常委会做出决定，在中国全面禁止野生动物交易。
en-us	Morgan: I wonder if I might ask one final question on trade of wildlife. The NPC Standing Committee banned the trade of wildlife in China. Obviously, that's welcome news for the conservationists. 

zh-cn	我的问题是，这一决定是否系受新冠肺炎疫情所迫？
en-us	But I wondered whether that was prompted by the coronavirus? 

zh-cn	还是中方认识到必须结束对野生动物资源的过度掠夺？
en-us	Or whether it is a recognition from China that it needs to end the exploitation of wildlife?

zh-cn	马公使：这一决定对外传递了非常积极的信息，是一件好事，我对此感到高兴。
en-us	Minister Ma: Yes, that's very good, very positive news. Actually I'm excited and I like it.

zh-cn	关于新冠病毒，我们仍在努力搞清具体传播途径，包括它的宿主、中间宿主等，一些研究报告初步表明病毒来源可能是蝙蝠或者穿山甲等。
en-us	Because obviously we are still in the process of finding out the host or the intermediate host of the virus. Preliminary findings point to bats or pangolins. 

zh-cn	我们确实需要更好地保护野生动物。
en-us	So there is a need to further protect wildlife for public health reasons. 

zh-cn	中国上至领导层、下至普通民众，都认识到保护野生动物的重要性，都支持全面禁止非法野生动物交易、革除“吃野味”等陋习。
en-us	And there is a call from both the leaders and the people to have a correct handling of wildlife and, wildlife trade, and to give up the bad habits of eating wildlife. 

zh-cn	在此背景下，中国全国人大常委会审议通过全面禁止非法野生动物交易、革除滥食野生动物陋习、切实保障人民群众生命健康安全的决定，具有重要意义。
en-us	Hence against that background, the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress, China's parliament, passed a decision, though not a law yet, to ban wildlife trade. 

zh-cn	预计全国人大还会就此立法。
en-us	There are some details that need to be discussed. 

zh-cn	中国早已颁布《野生动物保护法》，但该法未覆盖所有野生动物，仅适用于被列为保护对象的特定野生动物。
en-us	Because in China there is already a wildlife protection law, but the law doesn't cover every wildlife, but only the wildlife that should be protected for one reason or the other.

zh-cn	记者：你的意思是，这项决定并非只是针对疫情，而是中国认识到必须停止对野生动物资源的过度掠夺吗？
en-us	Morgan: But what you are saying isn't just about coronavirus. It's actually a recognition throughout China that the exploitation of wildlife does need to end?

zh-cn	马公使：是的。
en-us	Minister Ma: Yes. 

zh-cn	健康、环保理念在中国日益深入人心。
en-us	Chinese ideas of public health and protecting environment are also becoming increasingly popular. 

zh-cn	今年年底，中国将在云南省举办《生物多样性公约》第15次缔约方大会，英国将举办《联合国气候变化框架公约》第26次缔约方大会。
en-us	Towards the end of this year, China will be hosting CBD COP15 in Yunnan Province and the UK will be hosting climate change COP26. 

zh-cn	中英几乎同时举办关于环境、气候变化、生物多样性的国际性会议，为双方加强相关领域合作提供契机。
en-us	So both China and the UK are hosting major international conferences on environmental issues, climate change and biodiversity. It offers a very good opportunity for us to work together. 

zh-cn	此外，你应已了解，中国已于2018年全面禁止象牙贸易，英国民众和朝野予以积极评价。
en-us	You may already know that China actually banned ivory trade in 2018. That was very much welcomed by the British public and leaders. 

zh-cn	时任外交大臣约翰逊出席了中国驻英国使馆在英国议会大厦举办的相关庆祝活动。
en-us	When the Chinese Embassy held an event in the British Parliament, Mr. Boris Johnson, who was foreign secretary at that time, came to the event.  

zh-cn	中国全国人大有关禁止非法野生动物交易的决定，有助于进一步提高中国公众保护自然环境与野生动物资源的意识、推动人与动物、人与自然和谐共生，必将再次得到英国各界支持与称赞。
en-us	So it (banning widllife trade) will be another welcome move for us to protect the nature and the environment, to strike a balance between human and wildlife.

zh-cn	中英两国在相关领域合作前景同样广阔。
en-us	There is a wide scope for us to work together. 

zh-cn	记者：非常感谢马公使接受采访。
en-us	Morgan: Thank you, Minister.

zh-cn	马公使：谢谢你。
en-us	Minister Ma:Thank you.